#61525: "Ending game by swapping tiles does not award monument points"
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• Var vänlig klipp och klistra in felmeddelandet du ser på skärmen, om något.
This happened in a previous game.
I believe this is how it is supposed to work: When ending the game by swapping tiles to empty the bag, you should still get points from any monuments that would trigger. Similarly if you end the game by taking the last treasure with your 1st action. The turn still plays out.
This is addressed in the Chris Lawson FAQ for Tigris & Euphrates, so hopefully it is official. -
• Varsågod och förklara vad du ville göra, vad du gjorde och vad som hände
no
• Vad har du för webbläsare?
Google Chrome v99
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• Var vänlig kopiera/klistra in texten på engelska istället för ditt eget språk. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here. Är denna text tillgänglig i översättningssystemet? I så fall, var det mer än 24 timmar sedan den översattes?
This happened in a previous game.
I believe this is how it is supposed to work: When ending the game by swapping tiles to empty the bag, you should still get points from any monuments that would trigger. Similarly if you end the game by taking the last treasure with your 1st action. The turn still plays out.
This is addressed in the Chris Lawson FAQ for Tigris & Euphrates, so hopefully it is official. • Vad har du för webbläsare?
Google Chrome v99
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• Vänligen förklara ditt förslag exakt och koncist så att det är så enkelt som möjligt att förstå vad du menar.
This happened in a previous game.
I believe this is how it is supposed to work: When ending the game by swapping tiles to empty the bag, you should still get points from any monuments that would trigger. Similarly if you end the game by taking the last treasure with your 1st action. The turn still plays out.
This is addressed in the Chris Lawson FAQ for Tigris & Euphrates, so hopefully it is official. • Vad har du för webbläsare?
Google Chrome v99
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• Vad visades på skärmen när du blockerades (Blank skärm? Del av spelets användargränssnitt? Felmeddelande?)?
This happened in a previous game.
I believe this is how it is supposed to work: When ending the game by swapping tiles to empty the bag, you should still get points from any monuments that would trigger. Similarly if you end the game by taking the last treasure with your 1st action. The turn still plays out.
This is addressed in the Chris Lawson FAQ for Tigris & Euphrates, so hopefully it is official. • Vad har du för webbläsare?
Google Chrome v99
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• Vilken del av reglerna respekterades inte av BGA-adaptionen?
This happened in a previous game.
I believe this is how it is supposed to work: When ending the game by swapping tiles to empty the bag, you should still get points from any monuments that would trigger. Similarly if you end the game by taking the last treasure with your 1st action. The turn still plays out.
This is addressed in the Chris Lawson FAQ for Tigris & Euphrates, so hopefully it is official. -
• Är regelbrottet synligt i återuppspelning? Om ja, vilket nummer är det på draget?
no
• Vad har du för webbläsare?
Google Chrome v99
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• Vilken spelhandling ville du göra?
This happened in a previous game.
I believe this is how it is supposed to work: When ending the game by swapping tiles to empty the bag, you should still get points from any monuments that would trigger. Similarly if you end the game by taking the last treasure with your 1st action. The turn still plays out.
This is addressed in the Chris Lawson FAQ for Tigris & Euphrates, so hopefully it is official. -
• Vad försöker du göra för att sätta igång denna spelmekaniken?
no
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• Vad hände när du försökte göra det här (felmeddelande, meddelande i spelstatusrad, ...)?
• Vad har du för webbläsare?
Google Chrome v99
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• På vilket steg i spelet kom felet (vad var den aktuella instruktionen från spelet)?
This happened in a previous game.
I believe this is how it is supposed to work: When ending the game by swapping tiles to empty the bag, you should still get points from any monuments that would trigger. Similarly if you end the game by taking the last treasure with your 1st action. The turn still plays out.
This is addressed in the Chris Lawson FAQ for Tigris & Euphrates, so hopefully it is official. -
• Vad hände när du försökte utföra en spelhandling (felmeddelande, meddelande i spelstatusrad, ...)?
no
• Vad har du för webbläsare?
Google Chrome v99
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• Vänligen beskriv visningsproblemet. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
This happened in a previous game.
I believe this is how it is supposed to work: When ending the game by swapping tiles to empty the bag, you should still get points from any monuments that would trigger. Similarly if you end the game by taking the last treasure with your 1st action. The turn still plays out.
This is addressed in the Chris Lawson FAQ for Tigris & Euphrates, so hopefully it is official. • Vad har du för webbläsare?
Google Chrome v99
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• Var vänlig kopiera/klistra in texten på engelska istället för ditt eget språk. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here. Är denna text tillgänglig i översättningssystemet? I så fall, var det mer än 24 timmar sedan den översattes?
This happened in a previous game.
I believe this is how it is supposed to work: When ending the game by swapping tiles to empty the bag, you should still get points from any monuments that would trigger. Similarly if you end the game by taking the last treasure with your 1st action. The turn still plays out.
This is addressed in the Chris Lawson FAQ for Tigris & Euphrates, so hopefully it is official. • Vad har du för webbläsare?
Google Chrome v99
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• Vänligen förklara ditt förslag exakt och koncist så att det är så enkelt som möjligt att förstå vad du menar.
This happened in a previous game.
I believe this is how it is supposed to work: When ending the game by swapping tiles to empty the bag, you should still get points from any monuments that would trigger. Similarly if you end the game by taking the last treasure with your 1st action. The turn still plays out.
This is addressed in the Chris Lawson FAQ for Tigris & Euphrates, so hopefully it is official. • Vad har du för webbläsare?
Google Chrome v99
Rapporthistorik
The game ends when either of the following conditions are met:
‡ Only one or two treasures remain on the board at the
end of a player’s turn, or
‡ A player who is attempting to draw a tile is unable to
because the bag is empty.
At this point all players lower their screens. Each player
determines in which sphere they possess the fewest number
of victory points, with each player freely allocating his treasures
to any sphere(s) (see “Treasure Distribution” on page 12).
The player whose lowest sphere has the highest number of
victory points is the winner. In the case of a tie, the tied players
compare their second lowest spheres, and so on. If multiple
tied players are evenly matched in all four spheres, those players
share the victory.
That reads to me as the game ends immediately upon the failed draw, with no further scoring.
If there has been an official errata stating otherwise it could be changed.
Do you have a link to the Chris Lawson FAQ?
Seems there may be no consensus, but here is a thread on the topic. Chris Lawson actually spoke to Knizia about this.
boardgamegeek.com/thread/2697313/ending-game-tile-swap-and-one-implication
Apparently the original German rules only end the game after both actions and end of turn happens, but the English translation is worded as you posted above indicating the game should end immediately. I know the old BGG implementation of T&E would let the turn play out (both actions+monument points) even when you swapped tiles to end the game.
I hesitate to make a change that is contrary to the rules as written in the most recent rulebook, but also don't want to have the game work differently than experienced players expect...
I especially don't want to add a game option that changes scoring at the very end of the game and surprise anyone playing.
I will need to think on this more, and maybe once the game picks up some more steam on this platform make a players group and discuss weird corner cases such as this in said group.
I have been running the the E&T event at WBC for over a decade (boardgamers.org/eventhistory/e&t.html) and have always allowed the second action and monument points if the first action swap exhausted the tile bag, per the FAQ and designer's intent. Back when E&T was on bgg (and earlier on gametableonline), this is how it was implemented.
I expect that all of the top experienced players (online and over the board) would expect the game rules to match the FAQ.
For the Z-man rules reprint, I would think that was likely an oversight or typographical error instead of a deliberate rules change. The sentence to "A player who is attempting to draw a tile is unable to
because the bag is empty" could be clarified with some extra phrasing, but it becomes awkward english.
images.zmangames.com/filer_public/92/3f/923f8aba-72f1-4aa5-9622-d648ad1a9aa7/kn25_rulebook_web.pdf
I appreciate thenmal's sensitivity (“I hesitate to make a change that is contrary to the rules as written in the most recent rulebook, but also don't want to have the game work differently than experienced players expect...”) but it seems that the absence of this option is what puts the most questions about this implementation.
As the game is probably hard to find in many parts of the world, most new owners of the game learn the rules by acquiring a second-hand copy - and these vary from one version/edition/language to another.
Thenmal: "I especially don't want to add a game option that changes scoring at the very end of the game and surprise anyone playing."
I'm not a programmer, but in several BGA games, a small informative bubble appears when you point your cursor at various options. I imagine this could also be implemented here?...
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